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PostPosted: 21 Dec 2008 12:07 
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This is a snippet from the Sunday Times report on the EU proposals to impose Quota on RSA,
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For many sea anglers it could be the end of the line. The European Union wants to impose quotas on recreational fishermen limiting the number of fish they may catch.

The move is designed to protect endangered species such as cod, ling, pollack and shark. The EU sets tight quotas on commercial fishermen for these species – but anglers have no such restrictions.

In the past decade, however, sea angling has surged in popularity. A survey by the Maritime and Coastguard Agency suggests that about 1.4m people in the UK take part each year.

Many of them take huge catches and these are often sold commercially to fishmongers and dealers. By contrast, the number of commercial fishermen in Britain has fallen from 18,600 in 1997 to 12,700.


The Article was written by the Political Reporters at The Times (PRATs) Mr Jonathan Leake and Brendan Montague,
who have in the time honoured tradition of tabloid press reporting taken several comments from different souces and "edited" them to produce this wildly inacurate and politically damaging publication,
It will be interesting to see if they publish a "correctional statement" but I am not holding my breath,

The Reality of the situation is this:
The EU term 'Recreational Fishing' primarily covers fishing with nets, particularly artisinal and 'peasant' or 'subsistence' fishing that is practised to a greater extent in parts of Europe than within the UK,
In the UK Recreational Sports Anglers catch primarily as a Sport or to feed their families,

Including Recreational Sea Angling in the term 'Recreational Fishing' (particularly as it is understood in a European context) is like including 'pedestrians' in the term 'traffic', requiring them to signal their intention and to wear lights when walking at night etc!!

With a very different social/economic profile, and environmental impact, separating RSA from 'Recreational Fishing' needs to be a top priority for all Recreational Sea Angling organisations, regardless of Regulation 47.

Undoubtedly, as control increases on the inshore sector, and catches are increasingly restricted on conservation grounds there will be increasing regulation coming the way of 'Recreational Fishing', primarily aimed at artisinal fisheries in the EU, which will not be appropriate to UK Recreational Sports Angling.
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To read the "Article" in full go to the Sunday Times website by clicking this link http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5375688.ece


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 Post subject: Re: Recreational Sea Anglers Under Attack From Europe
PostPosted: 21 Dec 2008 16:37 
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This is an example of European Recreational Fishing,
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And this is how we do it in the UK

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 Post subject: Re: Recreational Sea Anglers Under Attack From Europe
PostPosted: 21 Dec 2008 21:28 
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Totally agree with the comments of 'pratts'. They have provided a false link between the rsa, with huge numbers of unlicenced commercial landings, then sold to commercial outlets. I challenge Johnathon and Brenden to substantiate the 'news' that they have printed. It's all bullshine, it don't happen. How dare they link the rsa with the percieved black fish landings. Disgusting. I shall respond to the defra 'letter' regarding the eu proposel by the 5th of Jan and i will use this rubbish paper example of how incorrect all of this is. How can the likes of the eu draw up rules and regulation for the rsa based on this type of inaccurate dirge is beyond me.


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 Post subject: Re: Recreational Sea Anglers Under Attack From Europe
PostPosted: 21 Dec 2008 23:50 
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Flatcapper's pictures above show exactly the difference between RSA's and Unlicenced Commercial Fisherman. What's needed is a clear definition of who's who. Most of the anglers who subscribe to this and similar forums are what can be termed 'Hobby Anglers'. Yes they catch some fish sometimes, but often catch nothing at all and by the way, put a whopping sum into this country's economy. More importantly Hobby Anglers do not sell fish!

The guy in the picture above, and the net he is casting over the Mullet below shows what his game is. We must all write individually to our MP's Euro Mp's, Huw what's his name the Fisheries Minister and anyone else who might listen before it's too late. I will try and formulate a list of names and addresses of those on the EU side to contact tomorrow and re-post on the subject.


Leon Roskilly of SACN wrote the following words today and they are very very relevant:

Where our arguments are likely to be weakened is the perception that many RSA sell their catches.

Selling of catches has no part in 'Recreational Sea Angling'.

Fishing with the intention to sell is by definition fishing for commerce and not for recreation.

That's why the term 'Recreational Sea Angler' as opposed to simply 'Sea Angler' was coined. To separate Recreational Seas Anglers (who fish purely for recreation, only retaining fish for private consumption), from rod and line fishermen who fish with the intention of selling.

They may think of themselves as Recreational Sea Anglers, and others might describe them as such, but they are not. (And they do genuine RSAs no favours at all)

Unfortunately many of those involved in fisheries management and commercial fishing do not appreciate the difference.

Also anglers publicising good catches, although understandable, also draw attention to the suspicion that angling might be having a significant impact on some stocks.

Even if RSA is separated from Recreational Fishing, it doesn't follow that our worries are over, just that it is more likely that any restrictions will be more appropriate to our sector, rather than simply being caught up in future measures aimed at more significant 'Recreational Fisheries'.


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Below are some useful contact details if anyone needs them when writing in...DEFRA will be contacting stakeholders within the next few days to consult on these EU proposals. Why not register your position as a stakeholder by contacting them?

Area 2C Nobel House
17 Smith Square
London SW1P 3JR

Telephone: 020 7 238 4435 Fax: 238 4699
Email: julie.fitton@defra.gsi.gov.uk
Web: http://www.defra.gov.uk


Joe Borg, European commissioner for maritime affairs and fisheries wrote to proposals...contact details below.

European Commission
DG for Maritime Affairs and Fisheries
Maritime Policy Task Force
B-1049 Brussels


Whatever you do or whoever you speak to will have an impact, especially personal letters. Also use web forums to post your comments...we know that the powers that be keep a close eye on them! Details of how to contact your MP or MEP follow in the next posting...


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PostPosted: 22 Dec 2008 12:34 
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Your MEP or MP might listen to you...here are ways of finding them:

Your MEP... find their contact details here: http://www.writetothem.com/?keyword=mep ... 3godBgVUCg

Your MP:...find their contact details here: http://www.writetothem.com/?keyword=mp& ... 3godrFOJCQ


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Feel free to show your displeasure by signing the Downing Street e-petition here - http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/rsa-eu-proposal/#detail


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 Post subject: Re: Recreational Sea Anglers Under Attack From Europe
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In reply to the Sunday Times article "Britains Vanished Seas" http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5375191.ece Malcom Gilbert wrote:

I don’t go back to 1776 or even the 1830s ! --- but a mere three decades ago I personally witnessed our seas teeming with fish, relative to today that is.

In the mid and late 1970s I fished on dense mackerel shoals consisting of 1+ kilo fish, from Mullion Island on eastern side of Mounts Bay, right down to Tater Du light house (20+ kilometres) , west side of Lamorna Cove. No matter where you dropped a line (feathers or plastics) you immediately got full lines. These fish extended from 20 meters depth outwards off the land. The tonnage was incomprehensible, but not enough to withstand the industrial fishery with klondykers plus 24/7 landing at Penzance into bulk grain carriers for road transport to Hull where the mackerel were processed into fertiliser.

Grey mullet were also frequently seen in huge shoals and caught with seine nets at places like the Scillies, Sennen [visit http://www.peterpuddiphattphotography.c ... 32899.html , Penberth, Porthgwidden (St Ives),. In 1974 I witnessed the whole of the cove on east side of Gurnards Head (west of St Ives) almost solidified with mullet. The shoal extended from right up against the rocks under Gurnards Head east to Carnelloe Rock (900 metres?) and out about 300 metres. They were so thick from the seabed to the surface that there must have been more fish than water. Fortunately, the conditions didn’t allow them to be seined. Very spectacular though with 5-7 lb mullet frequently jumping like salmon leaping a waterfall.

As recent as the early 1980s, vast shoals of spurdogs congregated around the south west. Boats that targeted this seasonal fishery with traditional hand baited lines reported shoals ten miles long. Then some clever whoops thought of using mono nets on them. Below I’ve cut/paste a paragraph of an email I sent to a student who was researching the same species on the other side of the Atlantic where they are known as spiny dogfish.

Anyway, back to dogfish, I gather you have copies of the Fisheries Report from the early eighties and I will be sending you a newspaper cutting which appeared on March 5th 1982 in Fishing News which is a report of how the port landings were being broken by thirty-foot class boats and on one day alone there were insufficient boxes in Newlyn to land the catches into, they had to be piled in huge mounds down the entire length of the quay. Incidentally, many of them were aborting and even the report refers to the super efficiency of the multi-mono nets which replaced the traditional long line fishery. The traditional long line fishery was one where the hooks were hand baited and the amount of work in acquiring the bait and baiting the hooks for the baskets prior to shooting restricted the amount of gear and what’s more, even when dogs were marking well on the sonar, if they were not feeding the long line method would not catch them. With the advent of nets - where there is no preparation required and, of course, whether the dogs were feeding or not the nets caught them - the increase in fishing mortality was just tremendous, as evidenced by the spectacular unprecedented catches which exceeded sixty tonnes daily for many consecutive days. The only stats I have access to are the normal MAFF stats which are published each year by the stationery office. I have a current copy for the 1998 stats, which shows that in Newlyn there were just 97 tonnes of dogfish landed for the entire year!

A superb tasting crustacean, the saltwater crayfish – Palinurus Vulgaris [ http://www.jjphoto.dk/animal_archive/pa ... lgaris.htm ] that is know locally just as ‘craws’ were plentiful up to about the mid 1970s. Originally caught in pots with lobsters and crabs and in tangle nets (old type courelene twine), the craws also attracted commercial divers in the 1960s who reported areas where the sea bed was paved with them. The quantities they were able to collect per dive was testament to the abundance of these wonderful animals. Then, in the mid to late 1970s the tangle gear changed to mono netting -- end of craws! Today, craws are so scarce that they can legitimately be called rare.

So there have been huge changes to the ocean’s fish stocks during the last thirty years, let alone the last century. I’ve seen a wonderful photo of fish landed in St Ives harbour being loaded onto horse drawn carts. I guess it was taken during the late 1930s. What is immediately significant is the size of the fish. Huge hake, turbot, pollack, john dory and of course common skate like barn doors which required four or six men to load onto the carts. I must try and get a copy of it with date.

Incidentally, during the 1970s, 2 stone turbot (28 lbs+) were regularly caught around Cornwall. Such specimens are rare today.

Despite all this evidence, many influential voices within the commercial sector still deny that fish stocks have deteriorated. There was even a book published a couple of years ago called Cornwall Fish and Seafood by Carol Trewin that was highly publicised. Here is an extract from the launch publicity [ http://www.england-in-particular.info/g ... e4-02.html ]. No guesses who the drivers behind these lies were.

"Cornish fishing is thriving, and so are fish stocks in the seas around the Cornish coast. If you don’t believe this then look no further than a radical new book on fishing in Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly that turns many preconceptions on their head. Cornish Fishing and Seafood reveals the true state of fishing and fish stocks in the far South West, and discovers the thriving onshore industry that processes and handles the fish and shellfish landed by England’s last fishing fleet of any size.”

The current state of South West stocks and the question of ‘had they changed’ and if so ‘how they had changed’, was a topic for some prolonged and difficult discussion at the Invest in Fish project. After one particularly acrimonious meeting, one very senior leader of the commercials who has been known to me since he left school, approached me at the bar after the meeting and actually agreed that fish stocks had been decimated but I should understand that it was unrealistic to imagine they could ever be rebuilt to previous levels and if the commercials were to acknowledge the true situation, such an admission would open the doors to even more restrictive management such as reduced quotas. In other words, they know; but they aren’t about to admit the truth. On the contrary, their short term interests are best served by challenging the very notion that stocks are in trouble.

Malcolm Gilbert


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 Post subject: Re: Recreational Sea Anglers Under Attack From Europe
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Just thought id'e add the bit about the turbot. ;)

Dear Malcolm

Very interesting, I remember those days well because it was during this time I was presenting angling programmes and in the eighties a Fisheries News a programme for the industry; on one occasion I flew in a fisheries protection plane with a camera crew over the Klondykers off Falmouth, massive boats processing vast quantities of mackerel.

You also mention turbot, I remember turbot fishing off the Skerries ( Start Bay) from the late 1950's when as anglers we could catch several each up to 20lb +. Harry Good who pioneered angling over the Banks had a one day record of around 26 as I remember it plus brill and plaice. I remember how the bubble burst; a commercial boat found where turbot spent the winter, it first came into Brixham with huge numbers and from the following summer the fishing over the Banks ebbed away very quickly, now it is a rare occurrence for a turbot in double figures to be caught, even small ones are rare. Coverak was the Cornish equivalent.

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Dorset Echo Report 23rd December,
ANGLING boat skippers have reacted angrily to EU plans to introduce quotas on the amount of fish caught off the Dorset coast.

European commissioner for maritime affairs and fisheries Joe Borg wants to bring recreational fishermen under EU quotas that currently limit the catches of commercial enterprises.

People in the industry claim amateur fishermen, who currently come from far and wide to visit Weymouth and Portland for day trips, will be put off from visiting the area.
Chris Caines, who is the skipper of Tiger Lily and chairman of the Weymouth and Portland Licensed Skippers Association, said the proposals were motivated by fishing practices on the continent but local charter boats will be the ones to suffer.
He said that the EU did not understand the difference between recreational fishermen in Europe, who use nets to catch large numbers of fish, and recreational sea anglers in the UK who do not sell any of the fish they catch and return much of their bounty.
He said: “They are getting completely muddled up with what we do and what is thought to be the norm in Europe.”

Mr Caines added that the value to the economy of each fish caught on locally-based charter boats was worth more than if they were sold on because someone has come down and spent money in the area on things like equipment and sometimes accommodation.
He added: “We have got the best selection of charter boats in the country and there has been huge investment here.”

Colin Penny, who runs angling trips out of Weymouth Harbour on Flamer III, said plans to bring in a quota could be ‘disastrous’ for the Weymouth and Portland recreational fishing industry.
He said: “To my mind they have not got a clue and don’t know what they are talking about.
“If it was to come in it would be disastrous from our point of view.
“They need to differentiate between pleasure and commercial fishing.
“We take anglers out for pleasure angling and we don’t sell fish.
“We also promote catch and release a lot of the time and, while we do keep some fish to eat, I would say about 70 per cent of our catch is released.”

Mr Penny said the impact on the trade could also have ramifications for the wider economy of the town.
“Weymouth is the top port in the country for pleasure angling boats.
“People come here come from all over the country and even from Europe.
“A lot of us have spent a lot of money, time and effort to get this trade as it is, then we get the EU coming along and they don’t understand what we do.”

Dave Gibson, skipper of the Lady Go Diver which runs fishing and diving trips from Weymouth Harbour, said: “In the UK recreational fishing is sports fishing and many sports anglers adopt a catch and release policy, some maybe take two or three fish home for the pot.
“For Europe to somehow decide that this needs capping is outrageous. Over the last 20 years recreational fishing has taken off and many commercial fisherman have turned to recreation.
“But figures show anglers do no damage at all to sea stocks and it is estimated that less than 0.1 per cent of commercial stocks are taken by anglers.”

Not all skippers were totally against the proposals though.
Dave Pitman, skipper of Weymouth charter boat Atlanta, said he understood that the move would help put a stop to recreational fishermen selling their catch on the black market and he appreciated the need to conserve certain species of fish.
However, he said that any limits set on recreational fishermen would need to be reasonable and carefully thought out.
He said: “We need to wait and see what figures they actually come up with, but if they do it sensibly I can’t see why it would hurt and I think most people would be quite happy with it.
“But if they are silly with it and say you can only catch one or two fish of a certain kind then people might kick up a big fuss.”

Fishing limit fears

PLANS to limit the amount of fish caught by amateur sea anglers could have ‘devastating’ consequences for the local economy, Weymouth and Portland’s fishing community has warned.
Local businesses have warned that proposals put forward by the European Union to cap the hauls of charter boats taking day trippers and other recreational anglers could threaten a growing industry that brings in millions of pounds to the local economy.
The plans, being put forward by European commissioner for maritime affairs and fisheries Joe Borg, would see each EU state allotted a quota for protected species, which the government will then have to divide up between commercial fisherman and anglers.
Anglers would be banned from marketing their catches and recreational boat skippers would have to apply for a licence.

The EU believes a surge in popularity in recent years means anglers are now having a significant impact on populations of endangered fish species and is keen to control the impact.
Mr Borg’s proposals would see the boats monitored using a satellite inspection system and electronic logging and vessels would have to stop fishing when their quota is reached.

Andrew Selby, owner of the Weymouth Angling Centre in Trinity Road, said: “It would not be a bad thing if they put a sensible limit.
“If they put a limit of two or three fish per person it would be devastating to the charter trade and the local economy.”
Mr Selby said Weymouth was one of the top sports fishing destinations in the country and attracted huge numbers of people to the area, providing a significant boost to the local economy.
He said that during the European Championships around 160 anglers visited the area for the week and pumped thousands of pounds into the local economy.
Mr Selby added: “We have 20 boats with up to 200 anglers going out on charter trips every day.
“Each angler pays around £46 for the boat trip then they buy food locally, petrol and sometimes they stay overnight. It brings millions of pounds into the local economy and that’s just charter boat fishing, you also get people going out on smaller boats and yachts.”

Dave Gibson, skipper of Weymouth charter boat Lady Go Diver and secretary of the Weymouth and Portland Licensed Skippers Association, said a study carried out by Southampton University showed that the charter boat industry brought around £3 million into the local economy every year.
He said: “That was just from the charter boats in Weymouth alone and it was five years ago so that amount has probably increased.
“The latest figures from Defra (the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs) show the industry brings in up to £1 billion a year to the UK economy.”
“If there are limits on what people can catch sea anglers won’t bother going and if they are not careful the whole industry could collapse.”

Weymouth and Portland Borough Council’s spokesman for leisure, tourism and community facilities Councillor Brendan Webster said: “In the light of the decline in some species and the behaviour of some recreational fishing activity in some areas within the Union it is perhaps not surprising that the EU should discuss changes to the quotas. However, we should resist blanket bans or unenforceable quotas whilst taking a responsible line on nurturing fish stock.

“Recreational fishing is both a local leisure activity and is a notable draw for our tourism industry. In this time of financial stress we do not need a burden on Weymouth and Portland’s means of earning a living or way of life.”


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I saw this on the seaswest forum and thought it was too funny not to post here. apologies if you don't agree
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